@publicvoit @lunareclipse @a53bdb Kind of depends on whether you count "cheap electronics that don't really need to call home or shouldn't but still do".

There's a whole lot of them and they routinely get compromised and added to botnets later in their lifecycle.

@JamesDBartlett3 @lispi314 @a53bdb @lunareclipse I agree.

I consider the USA as the premium example for the latter. 😉

@JamesDBartlett3 @publicvoit @a53bdb @lunareclipse Sometimes they're one and the same as it's done on purpose.

That also makes it deniable.

any chance that we'll have Google wallet support?

since the bootloader will trust the grapheneos keys I can't imagine why would safetynet and the other play protect mechanisms won't pass attestation (for all intents and purposes graphene would be indistinguishable from the stock Motorola image)

if that's the case I'll buy the device the moment it comes out...

@nate @ajkaestner

@GrapheneOS

I heard rumours that GrapheneOS will ship in phones and it will not be possible to flash another OS.
Is this true?

@NewDay14 @a53bdb 1/3
Samsung has factories in China too. They just don't market those as loudly. There are also still some important chips they don't produce themselves, like those used for connections.

And again, Vietnam is not a better choice than China. Their politics are equally bad and if anything, their manufacturing may be worse on average.

It was the security perspective we where talking about. If "Chinese phone" is a worry there, all phones are a risk. Samsung included

@NewDay14 @a53bdb
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The whole point was also: @GrapheneOS is already mitigating that risk as far as possible and declines devices where they cannot do that enough

What they need from a partner is them opening up enough to let them. Samsung is by no means likely. They too love to push their own stuff and influence, preferably with data going their way. Their big due marketing before anything else. And size is why they can manufacture their own stuff.
Be bad -> grow -> "look I'm independant"

@joonq @a53bdb
Sorry, but despite US offices and staff, the company is 100% Chinese.

Here is why:
-> Acquisition: Bought Motorola from Google in 2014 for $2.91B.
-> Headquarters: Global HQ is in Beijing.
-> Shareholders: Parent company Legend Holdings is Chinese.
-> Leadership: CEO Yang Yuanqing is Chinese.
-> Origins: Born from a state-owned research institute.

What might be cause for concern is if the ‘blond’ driving the world crazy were to target Motorola or Lenovo, causing them to pull out of the US market, or if, like Huawei, they were to have Android stripped away from them. At that point, they might decide on one of two things: either ‘steal’ the GrapheneOS technology, or strengthen their partnership with Graphene and make Graphene the primary software for Motorola/Lenovo. It could be an interesting development, but I imagine it would be stressful for the creators of Graphene

@anon_4601 @joonq @a53bdb Lenovo is a publicly traded company with 31% of the shares are owned by Legend Holdings.

Legend Holdings is a publicly traded company with 29% of the shares owned by the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

That works out to the Chinese Academy of Sciences owning around 9% of Lenovo. They're far from owning the majority of it.

We're continuing to support Pixels which are the only Android devices from a major OEM based in the US. Smaller brands are white labelled ODM phones.